Q: what about a sill
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Q: Hello, This is Justin at [removed]. I am trying to figure out what type of door closer I need for an interior door 3-0 x 8-0. The door swings 180 with a Rixson 117 Hinge. This is an existing door so we would like surface mount if possible.
A: The Yale 4400 Full Cover Heavy Duty Regular Arm Door Closer would make a very good option for a surface mounted door closer when a door is hung with a Rixson 117 pivot set.
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Q: Hello Rich, John & Team: Thank you very much for your informative Youtube videos on pivot hinge hardware -- I’ve found them to be very helpful. I was hoping that you may be able to help me with a question on the Rixson offset hinges. I’ve got a project that calls for offset pivot hinges for two relatively light-duty residential doors (one “hidden” bathroom door and another “hidden” closet door). The doors weigh approximately 135 lbs., and measure 26” wide x 90” tall x 1.75” thick. I am planning to add some relatively thin 3/8” cladding (wooden rails to simulate paneling) to one of the doors (already included in the weight calculation). The trim surrounding the door will also have the same 3/8” thick cladding, such that the surface of the door and surrounding trim will be relatively flush. I know that that the Rixson 117 pivot with the 1-1/2” offset will work in this application, but it also appears to me that the ¾” offset model may also work because the cladding is only 3/8” thick. Based on your experience and expertise, is it possible to use the Model 117 ¾” offset pivot hinge with thin cladding on the door and surrounding trim – such as 3/8” cladding? Based on the drawings that I’ve reviewed, there appears to be clearance for this to work, but maybe I’m missing something! I don’t really need these doors to open 180 degrees, but even that would seem to be possible with the thin cladding. Many thanks for any assistance or guidance you can provide! Best regards, Tom S
A: Tom you've already thought this through so well that if you really do not need your doors to go beyond 90° I see no reason at all why the standard 3/4" offset would not work for your application.
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Q: Thank you very much for your quick response! One other quick question – I see that Ives and Dorma make similar offset pivot hinge sets in both ¾” and 1-1/2” offsets. Is there any advantage to one brand over the other or other difference in quality? Based on what I can see online, there are some minor differences in the shapes of the “knuckles”, but they all seem to be fairly heavy duty, with the Rixson being the most expensive of the group. Thanks again!
A: First they're all excellent pivots but yes you're correct there is a tire cost for the Rixson product. Perhaps that's because the name is literally synonymous with the product group.
for my money I would use only the
ABH 0117 3/4" Offset Pivot Set
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I think of you will notice a striking similarity in the part number and also when you review all of the technical documents you'll probably notice that they are incredibly similar.
Dollar-for-dollar the ABH would be my personal choice.
Q: Fantastic – thank you! Two more questions for you:
I know that intermediate pivots are generally “recommended” for taller doors. In my case, using an intermediate pivot may spoil the illusion of the “hidden door” to a degree, as the intermediate “knuckle” will be more in the sightlines than the upper and lower knuckles. For a door with limited use (like a bathroom or closet door that won’t even be used daily), do you think I can get away without using an intermediate pivot on a 90” tall door? The stiles and rails on the door are engineered LVL so it will be fairly sturdy. Would it be possible to get a split finish set for the ABH or Rixson pivot, such that the lower arm knuckle and plate are Oil Rubbed Bronze, while the top arm knuckle is Satin Chrome/Stainless?A: Intermediate pivots are not just recommended, they are technically required. 1 or 2 doors out of ten are warped to a certain degree and if you skip the use of them, and you have a warped condition, the door manufacturer will not agree to any warranty claim. For a 90" tall door, two intermediates would be the "rule". Sure, lots of people do not install them and have zero trouble, but my advice needs to be industry correct. The ABH intermediate would be the ABH 019 3/4" Intermediate Pivot as seen here:
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If you re unsure, have you considered using Soss hinges?
Sure you can split finish order the pivots, although it would be charged at the high of the two costs.
Q: Much appreciated – thank you! I have taken a look at the Tectus and Soss hinges, but given some local framing conditions, I’d rather the weight of the door be carried mostly by the floor as opposed to the door frame.
A: Cannot agree more.
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Q: what if I have an arch on the door too?
A: An arch at the top of the door is pretty easy to solve meaning you're simply going to use load-bearing intermediate pivots all the way up to the top of the door where the arch begins.
The load-bearing intermediate pivot I would use would be the
Rixson M190 Intermediate Pivot
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You will want to order the
Rixson 117 3/4" Offset Pivot Set
By adding the suffix “LTP” which stands for “Less Top Pivot” as there will be a slight deduct in cost when you do not require and therefore are not purchasing the top pivot.
Q: Have Rixson 117 hinges metal door swings out to left one to right facing out is that reverse hinge?
A: I do not fully understand the question however our handing chart can be reviewed here:
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Q: Looking for 4 sets of Rixon 117 offset pivot hinges w/ ¾” extended bottom spindles. 2 LH & 2 RH.
A: For the 117 the spindle can be ordered in 1/2" increments up to and including 2". How to proceed?
Please see the 146th page of the .pdf here:
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Q: From shoulder to top ( Without top pin) I am at 7/8” We are going to bore the spindle into a stone top. No bottom plate. I was hoping you had 4 spindles in stock.
A: Unfortunately the bottom spindles are not modular like the Dorma platform is and I imagine you have Rixson 117 already on hand?
What if I could get my hands on the
OP440 x 7471K x [spindle Height] x 622 - Dorma
as seen on the 483rd page of the .pdf as seen here:
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