Q: I need a flush mount door and electric strik for handicap wheelchair lift
A: We do sell both doors and electric strikes and it seems ot me you will need a door position switch on your strike as well. You will likely want Dual Switch
Monitoring as an option which has two
SPDT contacts, one switch monitors
the tripper which is depressed when
the latchbolt is inserted into the strike
pocket. The second switch monitors
the condition of the strike lip, open or
closed and locked. This way the electric strike can communicate to the elevator the doors position.
Please clarify your needs and advise. We will proceed with assisting you in this project.
Q: NEED INSTALLATION WIRING FOR THE 74R1
Customer wants door to remain unlocked but in the event they need to lock down the school they want to be able too.
A: The wiring of this unit depends on the voltage you are supplying. Can you tell us what voltage you are running and the Fail Safe FS / Fail Secure FSE is also field selectable. Would applying power all the time to keep the unit unlocked and therefore when power is cut, the electric strike would be locked work for your application?
Q: hi Richard, I appreciate your videos. I have an electric strike that is functioning property. it makes the appropriate buzzing sound that alerts the person who wants to get inside that they can enter. However, do you know of anyway to make this buzzing sound (that alerts the person outside the door) louder? I live in a noisy area and the current buzz of my electric strike is too feint.
A: I would simply look for an annunciator and wire it in line. You would need to be sure the power you are supplying will "power" both the strike and audible bell you install.
Q: thanks for your comment about the electric strike annunciator. I've looked for one of those and I can't seem to find one that works. this is for a residential application for my front door so it just needs to be very small. Do you happen to sell one? I'm sure I can easily wire it in with the electric strike. hopefully I can hide it behind the strike itself to just increase the buzzer volume to where people can hear it
A: I likely do have a unit that will work - what voltage does your strike run on?
Q: the strike runs on 12 or 24 VAC. I am not sure of the voltage of the Transformer that I have powering the unit. I took a picture but I'm not sure where it shows the voltage. it might be easier just to get a new Transformer if that's the issue. But to answer your question my strike runs on 12 or 24 V. I have the rutherford controls (RCI) F2164 model.?
A: Simply put a volt meter on the installation or yes - I can also supply an annunicator and a transformer.
Q: i don't have a meter handy but could go pick one up, but frankly id probably rather just go with your recommendation of both parts (annunciator and transformer) so i know i am all set up correctly from the get go. Amy recommendations? Would you rather i send you my email? Thanks for your help. Your videos have been helpful to me with many different tasks.?
A: I am not recommending you replace both parts - just that I can sell them to you. This project - to this point - leaves a bit of guesswork which allows the possibility of error. I will proceed as directed - but keep in mind electrified products are not returnable. How shall we proceed ?
Q: i understand, it still seems like a good idea for me to try and connect it up. So I am definitely interested in your recommendation of what you have to sell. I also understand your policy on returns. if you have an email address that I could mail something to and we can continue the conversation that way or if you would like to post something that I can look up just let me know. what works best for you?
A: Sure thing - sales contact information is here:
Click Here
We still need to know what voltage your electric strike runs on.
Alternatively we can supply you with a new transformer, electric strike and annunciatior.
How shall we proceed?
Q: I was thinking just to be on the safe side it might be better for you to sell me a new Transformer as well as annunciator. I do not wish to put in a new lock. I am happy with the current lock. I believe that I put the model and make of the new lock in the you tube conversation that is also pasted below. If you are not able to pull that up let me know and I can email it to you when I get back to my computer. That way you can tell what wattage my ock works on and you can select the annunciator and Transformer that correspond.. Thanks
A: Hi Billy -
You do not want to buy a transformer until you know what voltage the strike will accept.
You told be about the RCI strike, sure - but did not at that time could not supply the voltage.
I can sell you a new strike or I can sell you multiple transformers but powering a strike with too much power will damage it.
Q: Understood... I was able to dig up the invoice when I got the new strike and see that I have the RCI model F2164. According to the accompanying documents, the lock (which is set up for AC power) can accommodate either 12 or 24 VAC. I do not know my current transformer (it might be 12V) but if you set me up for an annunicator that accommodates a 12 or 24 VAC lock, you can also direct me to the proper size (12 or 24V) transformer that corresponds to your annunicator. That way I'll have the lock (which can accept either 12 or 24v VAC) as well as a corresponding annunicator and a transformer that we know will fit. Does that work?
A: Hi Billy - based on your information, may we proceed with 12vac transformer and sounder?
Q: Based on the information, if you believe that a 12 VAC transformer and sounder would be the best parts for the job, I would be interested in proceeding. Thanks
A: will do
would you like a chime (2 note sound)
or
would you like a buzzer type sound
Q: Buzzer and thanks.
A: got it -
for the transformer do you want a plug in type or a hard wired type?
A: Is this the actual transformer for your application ?
Q: yes it is
A: that unit states it is pumping out 16vac -
Please confirm
Q: that is what it seems to say... think it's 16.5 V but I'm really not sure. on the plastic casing. that's the only reason that I was going to go with the transformer that you were going to sell because you knew that it would fit the annunciator that you were going to sell me. I believe that the electric strike can handle 12 or 24 volts. So if the rest of the equipment is in concert with each other, it should work I am hoping. If you think that my transformer is sufficient already then I can just get whatever you think. what do you suggest? and thanks for your help
A: I disagree -
strikes do not work on 12 or 24 if feed by 16v. A 12v strike may work but should be feed by a properly sized transformer.
You might be able to field select 12 or 24 of the strike but we are leaving too much to guess work. a 16v transformer does not supply a 12 or 24 v unit.
it is possible a 16v transformer will power either but you are dealign with electricity and I am concerned about a potential fire hazard.
can you unscrew the strike from the frame and forwards lots of photos?
Q: I made it back to town and was able to take several pictures of what you had asked me for. It might take a few different emails, I think my camera settings should be a little lower-res, but you should be able to zoom in on whatever you might need to see. thanks again for your help.
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image
I even took a picture of the electric strike's box so you can see the exact model that it is and it's features and size.
Along with the other pictures from last week you might have a good view of my whole setup. Let me know if you need anything else and / or which would be the best annunicator / noise maker (buzzer sound) so I can make the strike louder for people who are outside my down but can barely hear the buzzing sound of the lock.
Thanks again
A: I do not have all the information I need -
the attached image you provided shows how the wires are to be tied off
are the yellow and blue wires tied off together as shown in 12VDC or 12 to 24VAC
Q: It looks like the unit was connected using the 24VDC terminal. The box came with one "12VDC or 12 to 24 VAC" terminal and it also came with one "24VDC terminal" I have the unused "12VDC or 12 to 24 VAC" terminal in my hand so that means that the 24VDC one is the one that is installed and in the pictures. Truth be told, I am not sure if they selected the correct terminal from the box. I think I have AC power as opposed to 24VDC power, so maybe they used the incorrect terminal? As for how the yellow and blue wires are tied off, please take a look at the attached wiring instructions below. The unit is tied off in this manner. four colored wires (yellow, red, blue, and black) come out of the lock and are attached to a female plug, like in the diagram. The installer uses one of two ("12 VDC 12-24 VAC" or "24 VDC") the supplied terminals that came in the box and plugs it into the female plug that is already attached to the lock. All of the 4 colored wires that come out of the lock (yellow, red, blue, and black) terminate in the plug that comes already attached to the lock. The installer plugged in one of the terminals directly into the lock like it's indicated in the drawing below, then he wired the two red and black leads that come out of the termiinal directly to the bell wire that is wired in my door jamb and runs up to the power adaptor. I have also attached a picture of the unused terminal (the one that was left in the box that the installers did not use). It looks similar to the other terminal that was used. This was you can see what the setup is. Because he used the "24VDC" as opposed to the "12VDC 12-24VAC" terminal, is it possible that the installer used the incorrect terminal? If so that might account for the feint sound of the lock. Maybe it's just the incorrect terminal. Do you need any additional information or pictures?
A: does the unit "buzz" or simply "click" when energized?
Q: the unit definitely buzzes for as long as I hold the button down. it's just not very loud. it is not just a click, it is a buzz
A: it is AC for sure - now moving forward -
We have already seen the transformer that is powering the strike which is inadequate to power both the annunciatior (buzzer) and the strike. Therefore you need the buzzer, the new transformer.
See page 52 here:
Download File
I would suggest the Trine 270 Buzzer:
• Enclosed buzzer -- 92db sound at 3 feet
• Operating range 3-6VDC, 8-16 VAC, 1 Amp draw
• Aluminum powder coat finish
• Includes mounting hardware
which can be purchased here:
Click Here
this thing is going to be about 90 decibels at 1 - meter - please see this link
Click Here
and then the Trine 5204 transformer as seen on page 53 of the above catalog link and can be purchased here:
Click Here
Which does have adequate amperage to power both your existing electric strike and it can also accommodate the amperage requirement of the buzzer.
Q: Just to make sure we are on the same page. I am trying to find a solution that makes the buzzing sound that emits from the lock louder for people who are outside of the door so they know that it is unlocked because i am pressing the button to let them in. This seems like it would go inside of the house and be for my benefit not the people standing outside on the noisy Street.
A: Again - this thing is going to be about 90 decibels at 1 - meter.
Q: Sorry for the delay. I am concerned about the size of the unit you indicated. I am not looking for someting I might have to mount outside the door jamb and I think your unit is too big to fit inside of the jamb. do you have anything like this unit - please see link here:
Click Here
that can be mounted inside of the Jamb?
A: I can sell you the same exact item.
The fact of the matter is that it has quick connector is attached to it and I won't be able to tell you which wires to cut to wire them up so you'll have to leave that for your electrician to handle. But you're right, the annunciator that we have would not be something that would fit into a frame whatsoever it needs to be surface mounted to the wall and may or may not be the exact item that you will end up requiring.
I am a little bit concerned that you have selected a item that is incompatible with the voltage that you are using.
Q: It seems like i have the quick connectors already wired in. Wouldn't I just have to connect these in-line. Regarding the voltage difference, that is a very good point and I am also concerned about it. Just to be on the safe side can't i just purchase the correct adapter and use that as the power source so we know that everything is compatible with the current that (will be) supplied (by the new adapter)? That seems to be the easiest way to go about it right? Do you know the dimensions on that item that I sent you? Or do you have some other kind of in line ( not surface-mounted) buzzer that will work? You have a good awareness of my current setup. And I think you know know what I'm looking for. Something in line that can be hidden in the door jamb. What do you think?
A: the only way to make this little buzzer work is to change the electric strike as well.
Q: oh well, I like the electric strike and am going to keep that and since I don't want any surface mounted buzzer, it seems like I am out of luck and am just going to have to stick with what I have (unless you can think of a solution). Otherwise thanks for your help and let me know if you have any small device that goes inside the Jamb that could work. thanks you for your help. your technical assistance has been amazing and does set you apart from everyone else. The only reason I can't move forward with this is because it seems like there is not a solution for what I want with my current setup.
Thank you again for your help. Thanks Billy
A: Thank you for your response and feedback on this job and I stand ready to assist on this or future potential projects.
Three items of note:
a. If you would like for me to set a calendar reminder to follow up with you, on this or another matter, just let me know when to do so.
b. Is there a follow up question that we can perhaps attempt to answer? We take deep pride in our technical expertise as we understand the items we sell (something Amazon can not provide) and we know it separates us from our competition, so don't hesitate to ask. Because of this - we ask for your business.
c. My site has over 7 million products, all related to the door industry: www.absupply.net and I am confident I will be able to play a beneficial role in your companies short term goals. Please take a moment to review our site and know that I again thank you for your feedback and response on this job and I stand ready to assist on this or future potential projects.