Q: Can't someone just unscrew the first piece covering the U bar?
A: Those are security screws on the offset piece. Getting those to unscrew is not realistic. Several years ago I installed this unit and made a mistake and had to reposition the offset bar. I learned how impossible it is to get those one way security screws off the frame. I was totally unable to back the screw out so started with using pliers on the head and when that failed went to a grinder. Needless to say, I have never made that mistake again and learned a vandal or thief will not try to defeat this latch protector this way.
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Q: Re: ILP 212 BP latch guard. Hi. I have one of these (or similar ) on my garage access door. And it's great. Door swings into the garage so it works no problem. Just had an interior door to a secure closet in my office put in. It had to swing out because of the space. I want a latch guard on for the two locks, but can't see how the same kind of guard will work with this door. Especially as it had to be inset into the frame in order to attach the lock plates to the studs. Do you have a latch shield solution for an Out swinging door?? Here's a photo:
A: Thank you for the photos showing your outswinging, deeply inset, door condition. The ILP (Inswinging Latch Protector) will not work for your outswing door. The question is this: What is the dimension of your inset?
Q: Thanks for responding. Not a carpenter. Can you send a photo of what this would look like? My door - not a great solution, but had to work with existing frame- is inset and swings out. If it was flush to outside of frame it wouldn't be such a problem. Again if you think this will work for my situation please send a picture or at least a drawing so I can visualize. Thanks.
A: Sure thing - please see the image here:
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and the template as seen here:
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the question will remain, how deep is your door inset?
Q: Ok. I can see this. How deep is that inset?
A: .75" per the template.
Q: Have to measure how deep the inset is on the door. Probably can bump it out a bit of need be but need to study it. This is probably the best solution for me though. Appreciate the help.
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Q: I measured the inset on my door. It's 1". I think your product is only 3/4" Suggestions on how to fill in that last 1/4" so a pry at can't get in between it and the door?
A: What you are asking for is the Don-Jo OSLP-207 where the .75" offset is 1" offset as defined in the link at the template here:
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The answer is yes. We can have custom fabricated this custom offset latch guard to account for your greater inset. This is the upside. The downside being the cost to custom configure the shear and press brake to accomplish this. This set up fee is large and would be expressed as a few hundred dollars. Realizing this is not an acceptable hardware cost, perhaps you can purchase a pice of 3/8" thick rectangular aluminum stock, cut it to length, drill the holes required and use it as a shim.
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Q: Cutting a ship of 3/8" stock is probably best- if I don't need to cut a curve for around the doorknob. Let me look at your diagrams & see what I need to do. appreciate the help. I do want to use your product- as soon as I'm sure I can make it work before buying.
A: Cutting or prepped for the rose will be required. I would get a board, trace the rose prep and the perimeter and simply use a miter saw for the top and bottom cuts and a jig saw for the vertical cuts -
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Q: This makes no sense. They can still pry that off as long as the entire system is on the outside
A: Is your position is that most doors with the most expensie or cheapest locks or with our without latch guards can still be kicked in or defeated or bypoassed? If yes, quite true. The common logic is "locks keeo honest people hionest" and I can tell you from actual experience items like the Don-Jo ILP latch protected are known to be a effective deterrent to brreak in and other means of destruction or non-destructive bipass and if is the non-destructive types of bipass that the Dopn-Jo ILP is meant to thwart. It is effective and I know oif what I spoeak regarding this hardware - Rich